23 January 2013

Old guys and young girls in Philippines

Addendum (17 March 2016): This post has received lots of outside attention and has very little to do with water (although it does have a LOT to do with "market failure," i.e., foreign men with relatively more economic power than they have at home). I approve most comments (no more "get my husband back services") as it seems fair to allow this complex conversation to continue in public. -- David

Not her dad
I just visited Philippines for the first time and loved the country and its people. One thing that stood out (vs., e.g, Malaysia, Vietnam, et al.) was the visibility of "couples" composed of (usually) old white foreign guys and young Filippinas.

I asked a friend who had lived in Philippines what he thought, and his answer is worth sharing:

"Rather than one single explanation, I will throw out several:

Long colonial history, including long acceptance of international relationships, e.g., Macarthur and his mistress.

English proficiency and Catholic background equals desirability for many Western guys, who find them easier to relate to than Thai or Vietnamese or Indo or other Asian girlfriends

Many websites, both free and pay, that cater to Filipinas and foreign hookups of all kinds. These include a huge mix of people -- some maybe in it for the money, some for love, some to try something new.

Overpopulation + Poverty equals families eager to gain some extra financial support from their daughters' boyfriends/husbands, and hence encouraging of hookups of all kinds.

An entrenched and tolerated, if challenged sex industry. The biggest center was Angeles City, now apparently a scary ghost town of struggling prostitutes following the closure of US military bases in the 90s. But Manila, Cebu, and other cities all have many sex districts, and you've probably seen hourly hotel (SOGO) ads everywhere.

Early-age sexual activity, poor sex ed, and the political grip of the Catholic Church means low condom use. I suppose some guys like this kind of thing. It does mean that young single mothers are prevalent in all social classes, as abortion is outlawed in the Constitution, while dodgy black market pharmaceutical abortifacients and dangerous magical-herbal concoctions are sold in kiosks outside of churches.

Retirement haven: a lot of older expats want to settle down again, start a new family or small business (ex: dive shop), and buy some land. Only Phil nationals can legally own land. Of course there are ways around this (lawyers can arrange partnerships controlled by foreigners, with partners on paper who don't know each other), but some guys prefer to simply use their wives names. Of course this has its own dangers...

When I first traveled to the Phils as a mid-20s single male, everywhere I went in Palawan, locals of all ages and genders asked me why I was traveling alone, when I could just go pick up a college girl who was looking for extra cash during her winter break. I met a lot of couples like that -- their arrangements seemed pretty flex. Guy paid for everything, bought small gifts and maybe some gear, and likely made a cash gift at the end. Sounds like a lot of marriages really, just briefer... They usually looked really bored during dinner, with nothing to talk about.

When I lived in Manila, I dated interesting, articulate, beautiful, well-educated women. We met the same way people meet in the US -- through friends, at legit bars, online, in the supermarket, etc. In general, women were far easier to approach than in the US, and I usually felt welcome when traveling with them. Although, when I traveled with my ex (an upper class, college-educated Manileno who I was with for 2 years) I'd occasionally see holier-than-thou tourists turning up their noses at us in silly judgment. Taught me to be more tolerant myself."

80 comments:

  1. Wow! That was random and eye opening. Thanks for sharing. Really makes you appreciate the intolerance of this in the US. I have no problems with older men or older women with younger … however, this looks like a child with a grandpa. Sad. At least have some protections for these children, because they are merely just children.

    ReplyDelete
  2. This makes sense tome oddly enough. I can see why the women would want that kind of "stability" actually. It's better than what they currently have.

    ReplyDelete
  3. As a White American male who has been coming to the Philippines five to ten times a year since age 18, then received a posting here for a federal law enforcement agency, I have always enjoyed ruining it for all the "FOULS" Fat Old Ugly Losers who lurk around Manila, Angeles City, Olongopo, Cebu and Davao. I usually bring my college age and twenty-something colleagues who are fit, trim and good-looking to bar hop and it is quite comical how the girls IMMEDIATELY abandon the FOULs to dance, drink and shop with us instead. I have also managed to make numerous arrests for my federal agency of pedophile American citizens or U.S. Permanent Residents this way. Thankfully we are able to forcibly return them to the U.S. for federal criminal prosecution if they had ANY sexual contact with any person under the age of 18.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. This is hilarious. I knew a guy who got married to a filipina in the Philippines. He was 29 and I think she was like 21 or 22. And her parents would tell him they are so happy he was so young and handsome. They said they hope she never brought home a old fat white guy. (BTW he was black)

      Delete
    2. I am a divorced 60 year old man. I am overweight borderline obese. I have a six figure salary and a near $1M net worth. I am engaged to a 29 year old Filipina. I take care of here 6 year old Daughter( her young Filipino boyfriend got her pregnant and ran off). She was working in Hong Kong for four years to support her Daughter. She is now living at home waiting for her Fiancé Visa. I am supporting her. I have visited her three times in the last 18 months in the Philippines and never slept with any other woman. Not all old white men are sex pigs. Some like me want a wife and good relationship. My Fiance( Juliet) loves me and tells me everyday how she thanks God he brought me into her life. Your attitude is arrogant and hypocritical. Some day you will be old and fat, if not you will be dead. Just because you are currently young and in good shape does not mean you are not exploitive jerks. Young men use these women for sex more often then older men. Maybe someone should report you to the US authorities too. Grow up and stop being a stupid jerk.

      Delete
    3. Could you please explain your last statement Anonymous, I'm a little confused how these guys would be sent back for prosecution. The age of consent in the Philippines is 12, unless the girl is under 18 and has been offered compensation. you can read the report at
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia
      Futher more people in the Philippines are subject to Philippine laws and punishments so if someone is charged for an offence here they have to do time here. Or so I have heard from local news reports. So if you could kindly tell us what agency you work for and more information about the process of extradition there are many that would be glad to help.
      I have seen at least foreigners with girls as young as 13 (both 35 to 40), one was at the kfc in the mall: him and his companion was with her sister and her mom, He was sitting with his back to us, about five minutes into the meal he scooted his chair to her so that there legs were touching, later we saw them in the mail holding hands. Again at the fair I saw another man with a kid they were walking holding hands, arms around each other and the like. when they went to the ferris wheel he paid the attentant to stop them at the top of the ride, he did not speak the language so, the girls sister 16ish did the talking. But I've seen many of all ages with all ages. It's shocking sure enough. But it doesn't seem to be against the law, cause there were police at both the mall and at the fair.
      Actually its not just old foreigners Freddie Aguilar (Filipino) in his mid 60's just married a 16 year old Filipina last yearr. It's all about stability and social climbing. The average Filippina makes between 50 USD and 100 USD a month, can't really live on that not even in a developing nation. This morning at breakfast at the table beside me, there was a Filipino man 25ish with his gf 14. It not what were used to in the states. But here some girls will have an asawa (live in parent or husband) as young as 14. But not with foreigners, I haven't seen a foreign with a live in under 16.
      Anyway, that's what I've seen here.

      Delete
    4. Right on! Glad there is someone like you to get rid of these old disgusting men! Im Canadian and in a serious relationship with a filipina,she knows i hate more than anything seeing these young girls giving their lives and bodies away to these grandpa's! My dream is to form a coalition of mentors to teach these young girls to stay away from these men!

      Delete
    5. It's true. A lot of my classmates and friend before, they have kids at age of 16 or 17. Living with 25 or 30 or 35 years old filipino husbands. One friend of mine she was 16 and has a farmer 35 husband n leyte they have 3 kids now. :) The pretty one she stopped age of 15 and live a 25 years old guy she inlove with they got a kids and husband is a wild drunk guy. When he drunk he hit her. I know a lot of guy hit thier partners after year together. I am filipina. I have 6 siblings and my oldes bro turning 27 years old no education, he will never get married he cant afford plus he is not wild drunk guy( no gf, always single but is look like forieng but lost his teeth). My eldest sester is 25 yrs old she has avout 39 bf with 3 or 4 kids i think but she is living and helping family. She dont want get married for now but like to have a kid of her own. My elders sis is 23 years old single. And i am 21, then brothers. No one of us got married nor kid but our playmatesbefore are all has thier own family.:( They look happy but mostly are unlucky having drug addicts and wild drunk partner. I hate it. They have ugly husband but hit them. My father never hit my Mom he only mad to us, his kids bacause we are a lot make mother stress. I can say i have lovely parents. They like to have hrand kids but no one did it. My Grand Mother ( mom side ) she like to see a grand grad kid/s but not of my cousin has a baby. My father side ohh when my aunt aged 14 they slept with a guy and got pregnant and my cousins has a lot of kids now. I got a lot auntie in my father sides plus my cousin is a huge population. I am ready to have too over populated.

      Delete
  4. Angeles was developed for vietnam vets. The ladys are cautious to spend time with Americans because alot of them have memories of being abused by American visitors.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Great, old man trying to buy younger women, weakness at best and perverted at worst. Thanks

    ReplyDelete
  6. Ur a fool 60 year old man. U support her. Open up ur eyes. I went to the phillippines and I'm 26 and I'm good looking. I had sex with a lot of them but the truth Is these girls are looking for support and some are lazy and want u to pay for things. They want a sugar daddy but not all of them are like that. The truth is I thought I really liked one too when I met one there and she treated me real good and I think she honestly did like me, but she wanted me to help her. She never asked specifically for money but I immediately told her I won't send her money when she started to seem to mention it. She got upset because I didn't "trust her" and she cut me off. I guarantee if u do the same shit where u give her nothing for a while same shit is going to happen. U no she can be going out there getting young Dick behind ur back because u live so far away. It's easy for them to do so. It's Happens often. These girls sell themselves Cus there poor.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. They are anything but lazy, as anyone who has spent time there will assure you. Philippine immigrants to the US are #2 in economic prosperity, just after Indians.

      Delete
    2. So..they all mostly want money...at 6 if your getting some great pussy for a little support whats it to you. Im 65now and just got back from the Philippines on 3/10/2016. I was there for 8 days dates 7 ladies 21 to 30 and fucked 5 of them. Thailand the same..sweet young pussy likes older men and their money. I worked hard and now im enjoying myself..you can go find a dick to suck on!

      Delete
    3. You are right Mike Albert. That Anonymous writes as if he thinks noone knows the score. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows the Old man supports the Girl. Everyone knows its all about money. Here, Money=Love.
      We Know that!! Do you think we are all dumb and don't realise that.

      Delete
  7. Hey anonymous - that 60 year old has more common sense than you by a LONG shot. So what if he chooses to support her, wow... imagine... they have a relationship and just like in USA, where a woman does not work, but lives at home and looks after the kids, there is no difference in this relationship. I am not saying that all the women have ONLY one fiancé or ONE boyfriend, but not all girls are the same... whether they are in Philippines or in USA. Yes, so what - she is poor, there are many girls in USA - single mothers, who are poor, and go fucking for the weekend, just to party or to score drugs or to get some cash, that is just reality. The 60 guy is looking after his fiancé so she is NOT forced into doing something that neither of them want - namely her having to go find someone else. In the Philippines it is very hard for a woman over 25 to get a job unless she has her own company, a unique trade or has connections. All the adds in windows are looking for lady 18 to 25 with pleasing personality - and pleasing personality just means expect her to be beautiful or she will not be hired. I have a Filippina wife and 4 children and she is NOT on the prowl to meet other men. Just because we have a bunch of 20 some guys in here talking about how virile they are and how much they can score, just shows that they are the trailer park edition of North American men. Definitely not anything to brag about.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Wow, you see your wife every 6 months... Must be a great "marriage". I mean, both of you are obviously okay with this kind of relationship, so good luck anyway

    ReplyDelete
  9. To all you idiots out there.... I'm 55 and my flip is 19 and useing each other for about a year now.
    A budy of mine recently told me his whole story. He was in usa navy and married a fellow naval lady his same age. He did his 4 years and she did 20. During this time he started a small successful electrician service. During this time the only thing she shouldered were groceries. By the time she got out their only child was in college and on his own. She never worked again but did aquire an expensive horse collecting hobby inwhich it
    cost the hubby well over $100,000 over the next 16 years. He also shouldered everything else and paid off their $400,000 house. After 36 years of marriage she divorced him. He had to refinance the house so he could write her a check for $200,000. He has to pay her $1500 per month forever. She gets half his 401K and many more things to add. To top it off he cant touch her naval retirement

    ReplyDelete
  10. He cant touch her retirement. After he told me this story with tears in his eyes i told him he should go to Philippines and get a young gf. Then i showed him a picture of my cute 19 year old gf. He then immediately said "aw shes just using you!" I said "I know she is and when shes done using me I might give her bus fare to get home if Im in a good mood when she leaves." He looked at me with a stunned look....

    ReplyDelete
  11. Ive heard 1000's of horror stories of women the same age as their hubby taking complete advantage of divorce proceedings. This is the ultimate form of usery and its rampant in western society. So if all you douch bags out there think that because you are young and good looking that your ladies your age are not useing you for something you are idiots. Old guys give these young ladies security for however long the ladies want it if you dont give them control. Give the ones your age control and they will leave you and take the security with them. Dont give any body control of you because they are all using you for something.....

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I like you !! Realistic by name, realistic by nature. Read and take in what this guy says you young twerps.

      Delete
  12. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Dont live a lifetimein philippines for a wild life. Even your closest friend thats you think you very best friend, woman tc she is a snake. Don do wild party with your husband. Even you say myfruend is well educated and my husvand is ugly already. I knew a story about that. He run away with this gurl. Find a friend jus a friend never make it close with you hasband. Now she alone, husband run out with the educated girl. Done

      Delete
  13. what's wrong with an old fat men's marry a young 18 year filipina girl? first they are not broken the law, second the life is too short and doesn't matter is there is love or not, as long the old fat man love his wife, beside nobody know how long the fat man will live, so is better to get happy sooner than later.

    ReplyDelete
  14. I just came back last week to the USA from Cebu, where I had a number of business meetings. I am 51. Met up with a 19 year old girl I had met online and she stayed with me for two weeks. Could not have been nicer. She was smart, sexy as hell, innocent as hell, and very funny. Just a delight. Boy did we ever hit it off. 5'-3", 88 lbs., long black hair, college sophomore. I would love to bring her back here if it's not too too complicated. Unfortunately I live in the center of a very conservative New England town and I am sure such a big age difference would be frowned on. I don't know what the next step is, but it sure was interesting.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Don't worry about what your "conservative" town will think. Allow me to explain it to you.

      1. All the old church ladies are gonna cluck like the hens they are.
      2. All the women over 40 are going to start plotting your death because you are not paying them attention and they have to face seeing their worst nightmare every day.....a eligible man who spurned them and went and found a willing teenager to hook up with and is happy in the relationship.
      3. Age is a number. As long as you and her are happy then that is ALL that matters....the poo poo'ers will just have to deal with it. Be prepared for social services to visit because I promise you someone will eventually call and say your abusing a child......at 5'3" she is shorter and weights 32lbs less than my Goddaughter who is 15. Knowing how Asians look, she probably looks 12-13 as well.

      Just live the happy life you can and forget about all these jerks who would judge you. You know what is in your heart, God knows what is in your heart. He knows what you need and you deserve to get what you need. It is not for man or women outside the relationship to say otherwise.

      Delete
    2. Do you not think that she's just a bit too....Young for ya' by any chance?That's still the age of a teenager in my opinión!!!I wish you tons and tons of luck but,Imagine what she could possibly do when she eventually has the chance to go back with you to the States???Um,being that Young and i asume that she's pretty...she could easily venture off with another man!!!You will get other men back in the states with their "ASIAN FETISHES"chasing after her!!!Had I been you...at least a woman of 30 to 35.It's your choice but,a woman over 30 will have some maturity about her....but,19 is still the age of a kid!!!Nonetheless,"G-d"bless and all the best and........be happy!!!...

      Delete
    3. If you want to know the process for marrying a filipina (or any foreigner) visajourney dot com has plenty of reliable information. There are bad girls there and good girls... just like here. First of all, I am an "old fart" (53 now). I have always liked the Philippine culture as it resembles how the U.S. USED to be.
      Met my filipina wife 3 years ago after talking to literally hundred of filipinas. The company that I worked for had business ties to Philippines, so I spoke to many girls from there. Tried my luck at dating sites and found plenty of scammers (far less than Russia, India, or Ghana) from phils. If you know the culture, then you will a basic idea how to tell players from honest girls.
      By the way, met my wife in Cebu. She is 26 now. She knew when I met her that I had financial struggles. Did not bother her at all. She is not one of the lazy ones. She actually cooks meals, cleans the house, washes clothes (unlike my ex). She makes cards for me, writes notes, and always holds my hand in public.
      Who knows, maybe one day she will dump me just like the other 3 ex's in my life (cheaters). But one thing is certain... I have had more fun with her than any woman in my life. I would never regret that.

      Realistic: I would like to know what your scources are. The divorce rate for American men who marry American women: 57%
      (officially). But since the figures from several states (including
      California) are excluded, the true national divorce rate is likely
      closer to 65%. The divorce rate in California is over 70%. Phil-Am divorce rate is 19%. You can always marry her there in Philippines where there is no divorce.

      Delete
    4. I heard a US guy married a Filipina young one. He bought it with his to US and she got a you american behind. The guy died now anyway. I think u better get older one. Yeah she is not yet wild but sooner she will. Good luck.

      Delete
  15. Didier. If you take her to the States she will more than likely leave you soon after she figures out that she doesnt need your security anymore. 9 out of 10 times the only reason young beautiful flips are with much older guys like me and you is FINANCIAL SECURITY. If you take her Stateside she will become financially secure. If she had as much money as you do now she wouldnt even look at you now. When she gets there all of her new flip friends will have young bfs and they will start advising her on her new life. American woman are really catty when they find out your age difference and they too will start advising. More than likely the only way she wont leave you is if you are very wealthy by USA standards and send her family alot of money. If you dont want a flower to die dont take it out of the garden...

    ReplyDelete
  16. Are all of you on here just nutso? You old people who want to date these very young "children" are sick in the head! Would you let your own daughters date someone that old? Maybe age doesn't make a difference in your own weird minds, but those are kids!! Children! Date someone who will grow old with you and be on the level of your own maturity. What? You feel you need to get laid by a child?? Oh, they look so nice, and young, and will do things for you?! That's all you are all looking for...a little girl piece of ass and someone to cater to your lazy asses. And, yes, you die way earlier than her and then what happens to her? Any American woman can be who and what you are looking for if you look in the right places. Just as suggested in the Philippines. You wouldn't want to be with someone for the long haul that you met in a prostitute-infested town. Same damn thing! Spend your life with someone who took your heart when you were young and grow old together. That's how life goes. I don't think American men would be so happy if all women were flocking to another country to pick up young men because the men in American are all demanding, fat, old farts who can't even get it up half the time! You are sick in the head - and you will figure that out eventually in your mind.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Obviously a disgruntled middle-aged woman. I have a 16 year old daughter. If she was 19 and met a middle aged man that would take care of her, I would not have a problem with that. Now ask me if I would be okay with her marrying a 25 year old druggy. Not saying that all are, but the chances of somebody being 46 or 50 and successful in business is not likely.
      Have you ever heard of life insurance? If the old buzzard crokes and she gets $500,ooo I don't think she will be suffering too much.
      Yeah, I married my high school sweetheart. She took my heart. We were growing old together. After 19 years of marriage, she started boinking my business partners son. He is 21!! So who is nutso?? Good news, divorce, I got the house and bought out my partners share. She got child support and the car. You obviously don't know anybody from Philippines. Most of them have college degrees. Family is huge there unlike here (for the most part). Many girls there are single mothers and the average 19 to 25 year old female there is far more mature than those here and more mature than many 35 to 45 year old females here in usa.

      Delete
    2. "Are all of you on here just nutso? You old people who want to date these very young "children" are sick in the head!"
      Most men and women are physically attracted to women who are in the prime of their physical lives. The most famous fashion models all over the world are in their late teens to early twenties. Most men and women all over the world like to look at women in their prime. Take a look at Cosmopolitan Magazine and Playboy Magazine, they wouldnt publish themnworldwide if it wasnt the nor Date someone who will grow old with you and be on the level of your own maturity. 

      .


      Delete
    3. "Date someone who will grow old with you and be on the level of your own maturity."

      In USA about 50% of marraiges end in divorce. I believe at least 75% of marraiges should have ended in divorce there. Those extra 25% of people endure marraiges because of children, security, money, and so on even though their relationship is dead. Im not unrealistic enough to dream that i am going to grow old with someone. Too many variables in life over time to make a long term relationship realistic.

      Delete
    4. "That's all you are all looking for...a little girl piece of ass and someone to cater to your lazy asses."

      I do most of the chores around the house as my gf is somewhat busy with her school work.

      Delete
    5. Would you let your own daughters date someone that old? 

      If I was poor with no future and my daughter was completely surrrounded by poor lazy useless men who only wanted to impregnate my daughter then dump her and not take on any resposibility for the child I would cherish a nice older man to come into her life. My current gfs parents LOVE me as I take such good care of her. She has everything she ever wanted including my respect and love for her. When my last gf cheated on me and I dumped her her mother begged me to come back and cried and couldnt eat for a week. I think most Filipino parents are praying that their daughters to meet a nice older more responsible foriegner to fall in love with their daughters

      Delete
    6. I was just going with the consensus of different sources throughout the years as being about 50%. Sounds like maybe it has increased ove the years. If the rate is about 65% than i would take a guess that about 85% should be divorced. WOW.....
      Where did you get the 17% rate for USA/FILA? I live near a naval base in USA. There are 10s of thousands of filipinos living there. I would say about 90% of the filipinos i have met there were divorced and that is both usa men and filipino men who married filipinas. I know one big factor is marraige to a bar girl that would push the rate higher but it seems that divorce is very common once they leave PI.

      Delete
    7. Divorce is the last thing that I ever want to experience again. So I did do some research before making a decision as it was a concern of mine. Of course knowing there are never any guarantees. I used information provided by USCIS, the Center for Immigration Studies, and some case studies provided by IMBRA (NVSS no longer provides that data). The numbers now being reported are 20% divorce rate vs the figures I that I was going by from three years ago. Bargirls are definitely a high risk marriage. They usually have not completed high school or have any education. So to them it's easy money and most would jump on any foreigner as a ticket out of the country. They love servicemen too. My cousin was stationed there and married one on base (same age as him). They divorced about a year after they moved back to the states. I definitely would not argue that divorce rates are higher around bases (I also live close to one). However, these are national averages. Last note is the only 50% divorce that I could find was an Asian divorce rate from 2012. But that included all Asians with the highest divorce rates being American/Vietnamese.

      Delete
    8. I truely wish you all the best in your marraige. When I look back at all the loves in my life(about 10) including a filipina for 12 years I dont have much faith in marraige. The love in these relationships with time eventually faded. The legal system has changed the institution of marraige into a money grabbing free for all through failed relationships. I think they should change the name of "Marraige Contract" to "You Have The Right To Sue Me Now For Half My Net Worth And Financial Support For The Rest of My Life".
      I would think that high rate of US/Viet is because most of the girls are bar girls. Good Vietnamese girls in general are super conservative and dont date western guys.

      Delete
    9. Id be curious as to how USCIS comes up with the divorce information on USA/FILA divorces. When I divorced my Filipina in the states I cant remember anything in any of the divorce papers stateing that she was a Filipina. I married her in PI and am sure the state department knows of our marraige but not of our divorce. She was already an American citizen when we divorced. Just curious, thanks

      Delete
    10. Do you have a direct link to the USCIS reported divorce rate? The only 20% figures I could find were from international marraige agencies which would be deflated in their best interest. Even if that figure were accurate I still cant understand how they could come up with with rates about Fil/USA marraiges that didnt use an international agency. I know hundreds of guys that married flips and none of them used an agency.

      Delete
    11. Well, considering my same-age educated white American wife cheated on me and then took much of my money in the divorce that SHE caused... I'll settle for a beautiful YOUNG Filipina that WON'T wind up in a divorce court.
      Hell, sounds a lot better than money grubbing, amoral American women! (I am American, by the way.)

      Delete
  17. What a pack of righteous jerk offs, firstly to the young loud mouth American guy, why are you coming to the PI 8 to 10 times a year?? Secondly stupid, many of the old guys you see with young women have been living in the PI for years, these guys have teenage children, teenage and young relatives and because they are part of Filipino life they are treated just like any other old guy in the PI and accompanied by their relatives when out shopping or relaxing at the beach. Old guys you see in bars maybe just out for for a drink and if they are talking to the girls in the bar it may be that the old white Lolo is part of the scene a nice guy to talk to not like you imagine a jerk off just like yourself. Yes there are perverts and pedophiles abroad, just make sure that you are not one of them. Many Americans have big fat mouths and very small minds, get some education in real life before you make judgement on people.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Nobody has mentioned having kids, what happens if your 65 or 70 even and you get one of these ladies pregnant have you guys ever though what kind of life these kids are going to have with no father to guide them through their childhood into Adulthood ? so you really should think with your head and not your d**k

    ReplyDelete
  19. Personally I could not see myself going with someone the same age as my Grandaughter who is 23 it just does not seem right if it works , great but many guys have been taken for a ride and have lost everything I know you can get ripped off by women of any age but it does seem to be by more of the younger ladies

    ReplyDelete
  20. Im not going to get my girl freind pregnant ant time soon as I practice safe sex. Safe sex for me is only oral and anal sex. I play it safe and never put my penis anywhere near her vagina.

    ReplyDelete
  21. About 20 years ago I moved to a little island in PI. I was in my mid 30's and my beautiful flip wife was in her early 20's. I started hanging out with a group of Ozzy and American men who were mostly in their mid 50's and their beautiful filipina wives in their early 20's. Another Ozzy started hanging out wih us who was about 60 and had the ugliest pig of a flip wife who was about 55. He went on and on for about a year about how our wives were gona cheat on us and steal our
    money. This 60 year old Ozzy's wife took him to the cleaners. She sold his sailboat, his clothing, his furniture, cleaned out his bank account and even bought building materials in his name from a local hardware store then sold them. She completely drained him then disapeared. He quit commenting about our young beautiful wives....

    ReplyDelete
  22. This is a seriously disturbing thread, and all the more so for the dogmatic refusal of the enthusiasts to see themselves within this clearly exploitative context.

    Yes, biologically, women of the Philippines mature sexually in their teens like their Western sisters do. However, that Western men step beyond their own social and legal constraints to "enjoy" the "freedoms" provided to them by the male-led structures of a foreign society speaks to how willing they are to exploit conditions that favor them.

    This certainly isn't about love. Nor is it about providing for the women's well-being. (You can't claim altruism when you're well aware that your dick is only acceptable to young women when it's attached to a fatter-than-local wallet.) Nor is this about the "horrors" of feminism -- whereby women and men are encourage to forego exploitation for lives of mutual empowerment and equal opportunity.

    This is solidly about Western men knowingly engaging in and encouraging the exploitation of poor young women for their own sexual and emotional gratification.

    Specific note to @realistic: your particularly paternalistic brand of realism is abhorrent. You're not interested in the conditions that are likely to make young women far more economically vulnerable to exploitation. THAT realism -- of a male supremacist context whereby young women feel that they *must* cater to the male ego and sexuality to survive -- is beyond your impressively low analytical skills. "Do not take her out of the garden" is your call to maintain male supremacy. Truly a new low displayed here on this blog.

    To the OP: seriously? what the fuck were you thinking in posting this? clickbait?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. @Anon -- I didn't post this as clickbait (no ads on this blog; note that I didn't write it, either), but as an observation on the "complex" dynamics of money, society and sex. I have allowed most comments onto this thread b/c I'd rather see a public argument than stifle these perspectives (even if I don't agree with most, and I do agree with you). I'm going to send this post, with the comments, to OP, to see if there's a reaction.

      Delete
  23. So i guess you believe donald trump's much younger beautiful Slovakian wife is with him because he is so young and handsome! I have a pretty good idea its got just a little bit to do with his wealth. Woman from all over the world do the same not just filipinas. I told didier the realistic truth and that is if he wants to stay with her he has a very low probability of doing that if he takes her to the states UNLESS HE IS RICH. If donald trump became a middle income earner over night what do you think his wife would do? Unless didier is very wealthy it is likely she will find a guy about her same age with as much wealth as didier in the states which is only natural or an OLDER guy with more wealth which is natural for many women around the world. When you take a filipina to the states she is swarmed by all kinds of men much like when western men are swarmed in the Philippines. When a western man "hits a trophy lady" with a much younger super beauty is it really that much different than when a filipina(or any woman) "hits the jackpot" with a wealthier older guy? I don't think so. The cold hard truth about the Philippines is that there are many ladies there looking for a better life and that is not with most filipino men. Not only is poverty rampant but also the quality of men there is very low. As i mentioned earlier I dont have much faith in long term relationships. Yes the lady Im with now is poor and yes i am aware that she likes money but at the same time i treat her as my soulmate and treat her like a QUEEN even though I know it probably wont last. Sex actually has very little to do with our relationship. On our first date she opened a taxi door and i immediately told her that she was not to open any doors in my presence. She was stunned. I cook and clean around the house stunned her again. I have flown her all around the philippines and we will travel around Asia soon. She had never flown before. We go to nice restaurants, movies, bars, clubs, parks, islands, beaches, etc, etc. Most of which she never had a chance to experience. You should see all the pictures on her facebook...her freinds are all so jealous. I can go on and on and on... ALL of her freinds have asked her to find a nice older guy like me to take good care of them. But the most important thing Im doing for her is Im giving her a future. Something that was a long shot until she met me. And im pretty sure its a future without me because as Madonna sings "nothing lasts forever". Im putting her through nursing school something she only dreamed about until she met me. When she gets her degree I have many ties in the states in medicine and will do my best to get her setup there if not the states I know I can get her setup in Singapore. And when Im long gone and six feet under shes gona look back and say man i wish i could find another guy like him....
    WOW WHAT A HORRIBLE GUY I AM

    ReplyDelete
  24. The OP proposes that, just for kicks and thematic continuity with the rest of the blog, we attempt to mine this vigorously undead thread for lessons on water economics. Is it possible? It might get us farther than fostering more ad hominen attacks here, and who knows, may be more interesting than yet more self-confession - - although I must say it's unsurprising to see firsthand data in the comments that basically confirms the initial observations.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. FYI, the blog is about "other things" incuding development economics (thus, the topic of relations between rich and poor). In terms of undead, I am amazed that you folks keep arguing with each other!

      Delete
  25. i am a filipina woman @ 23 and my man was 50 years old american. you guys who were judging a may-december(woman is on 20's and man on his 50's) relationship are lack of knowledge. You will know if the woman is just using you or just after your money the way she communicates you, the way she talked, the way she act. if you feel that she just want your money then leave. i met my man last year, i have my own job, i don't need his money, i can provide my needs and want using my own salary. all i want from him was his undying love. i had been in a relationship with a young man but he just took me for granted, cheated on me, drink with friends and got home late! that's not the type of man i want. i choose my man beacause he is responsible, he doesn't cheat, he appreciate, respect and truly love me. i maybe young but we had the same interest in life and we had a lot of similarities about our likes and dislikes.

    ReplyDelete
  26. Many of us talk about the desperation of poverty as to why many Filipinas use older foreign men. But how does one weigh poverty? Does my gf NEED me to survive or does she just WANT a better life. It took me years to figure out how Filipinos were so poor but yet so happy. Most Westerners would not be able to sleep at night if they were as poor as many Filipinos. One reason why Filipinos can be so happy and poor is they believe they don't have much control of their future. Because of this lack of control they believe their future is in God's hands so they aren't that worried about next week and as long as they have a partially full belly for the moment everything is ok. Filipinos have a deep indoctrined attitude that they call "bahala na" which in a sense means "what will be will be" and it is in God's hands. Young girls are taught at an early age that they are poor and the best future for them is to marry a rich foreigner but if not "bahala na" and they will still be ok.
    When I met my gf she had plenty of simple food to eat. Now she has ANYTHING she wants to eat. Did she NEED me? No.
    When I met my gf she lived in a small concrete house with a small flat screen tv, no cable, small fridge, fans and cold water(yes, aquanomics). Now she lives in a larger condo with a larger flatscreen, larger fridge, cable, aircon, and hot water. Did she NEED me? No.
    When i met my gf she didn't think she could afford school yet ALL of her school freinds now are poor and working to pay for their schooling. Did she NEED me? No.
    When I met my gf she had a cheap cell phone and could only text(something I never had until I was 40). Now she has a smart phone with unlimited talk, text, and wifi. Did she NEED me? No.
    When I met my gf she had plenty of simple clothing. Now she has a whole wardrobe of higher end clothing. Did she NEED me? No.
    When people on this blog talk about things like "economic vulnerability" and "economic desperation" I would be curious as to exactly what defines this. The average Filipino makes about 10 times what the average person from The Central African Republic. Does this mean the Africans consider Filipinos rich?
    The way I see it I'm just a unneeded stepping stone shes useing for her to reach a higher level in the next part of her life and so far it's working pretty good for her.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Love your comment but let me tell you something that came straight from a filipina girl living in the usa that i was telling her about my relationship with a girl in the philippines that used to be a scammer She said: If the filipina women loves you she will devote her life to you 100% & If she is scamming you she still devotes herself to you 100% for the money. In some instances you cant detect BECAUSE SOME FILIPINA WOMEN CAN SEEM SO SINCERE IN BOTH INSTANCES. So I SAID TO HER BAHALA NA what will be will be & its in gods hand. TODAY WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL 1 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER! She still lives in philippines because we want her lola to get to know her grand daughter before leaving for the usa. So guys it worked out for me so far & because i cared for her sure i help her family with small things to make life better, but i dont let them treat me like a atm machine either.

      Delete
  27. Interesting link. Be sure and read the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/43qvid/hate_me_but_these_truths_are_based_on_my/

    ReplyDelete
  28. If u are married to a broke divorced american, u would want to have a better guy who can help u and u the person will start building your self up for your child's future. If u are married to a poor guy and he gambles his hard-earned money u will get sick of it and start finding another man in the internet hoping the next guy is educated, not divorced so many times & don't gamble, no drugs, and not smoking, not a player, not hot tempered i can go on and on and on. All the good traits of an american guy.

    ReplyDelete
  29. i met a nice ph girl im 48 she 19 but now every week she asking for money for school fees ,for her foods,her medicine,help pay her boarding fees,but she so sweet how she talks to me ,i know its wrong :(

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. She is using you...find another

      Delete
    2. Hahaha thats not love man. She is not inlove to you.

      Delete
  30. I'm 60, educated, physically fit, don't drink, smoke or do drugs. Couldn't find a fit, sober, attractive, and compatible partner in the US, and the women on dating sites were like sharks. I was visiting the Philippines during one of my trips since retirement and there were many attractive (and young) women. I'm not interested in a 20 year old but met a beautiful, funny 35 year old single mom and the rest is history. She didn't come with a list of demands and was just happy to meet a nice guy who won't cheat on her like her ex did. Most Filipino men also will not support, and raise another man's child. The culture is very machismo here. She works hard, is finishing college and just wants a simple life. We're happy together, and life is good.

    ReplyDelete
  31. I really must jump onto this conversation after reading all of these comments. I am (still currently) married to my scumbag American husband. We are both American. Been with him for 30-something years. We do the usual bickering and have our issues like everyone else does. We stayed together as you should through thick and thin. We have 4 children together and he said he was feeling old now because the kids were getting older and going to do their own things. He always said to me that we would retire and travel together and live "our" life together once the kids moved out. Isn't that the regular, American way anyway? Well, it wasn't enough for him. He decided to go with a friend "diving" in the Philippines and it went all downhill from there. He went a couple more times and I found out he was cheating on me. He met a bar girl online and went to see her. He said he needed to feel young again. I filed for divorce. He goes to see her all the time now and I just found out she's pregnant. I gave him everything he is getting from her. Everything. So, he's engaged to her now. She's still in the Philippines and he is in America. After the divorce is through, I'm sure she will be coming to America. She already has a child from someone else. By the way, he is 50 and she is 21. To me, he's sick. Even though she is of age, this really is like being a pedophile. Let's get this straight...because the Filipina women are known to just give it out to ANYONE, that's where these creeper older men run to. They know they can't get anyone in their own country and they seek out someone who will bow down to their every want and need so they go prey on these helpless "children" who need to get a man to support them so they can live. How these girls just get up an leave their friends, family, country and what they know is beyond me. I think all of this is sick. It's like an epidemic of old men going to find young girls. And, because they can get away with it. You have NOTHING in common! All you want is to show off that you have a young girl on your arm to walk around with. It's embarrassing to your own family and friends and to your country. You truly our pedophiles in my eyes. You didn't just happen to go to the Philippines one day and met the girl of your dreams. You ALL researched this atrocity going on there, you met someone online or just showed up there to pick up a young girl, got hooked onto a "child" to be your "love" for your life, and you got drawn into this stupid situation. You men are all pigs because you really don't have a life of your own in your own country. You prey on them and know you can get away with it. All who do this are just LOSERS to everyone around you and in your own country. Dirty, and nasty...

    ReplyDelete
  32. Im really sorry you spent 30-something years with your scumbag, pregnating, sick, pedophile, creepy, preying, hooked, pig, loser, dirty and nasty husband. Why would you marry a man like that and be heart broken over him for leaving you? Im also sorry to hear that he had had enough of your bickering, went muff diving in the Philippines and found the bar girl of his dreams. After you clean him out in divorce court as most nice American women do please tell him to dump the bar girl and get a nice young beautiful lady. Tell him not to marry her as she will leave him in a few years anyways but not to worry as there will always be young beautiful filipina ladies available for us old, dirty, nasty LOSERS...

    ReplyDelete
  33. Poverty is a strong aphrodisiac.

    ReplyDelete
  34. Do notcRestrict love too much.....too many lonely people in this world.

    ReplyDelete
  35. Hello, here we go. I am Filipina, 21 years old. Filipina prefer a mature (*old) guy it's because young guys can leave her anytime he can. We believe mostly young guy are playing. Look you dance with him disco and when youclose you eyes he is talking to other. But the maturer guy they can consciences. For me an nature guy has possibility he'll gonna love you unconditionally. And also all of us will get old. They can't pause the time to still young. We are all going to be old. The one who posted it, i wanna tell you when you reach 44 or you will found yourself with young filipina. Now a days, older foriegner got the pretties one and the hotties filipina gf. My ex just turned 44 because he got hot one he always get jealouse even you dont do anything. But he still texting me.
    The funniest thing is i am 5'4 ft in 45 kg so lot of foriegns think i am a gay. Sometimes filipino does too ,but they appologies to me when i look at them because my face is a woman stucture. I look strong, i can do everything whats man can do. Ehehehe thats why.
    I am concern about old guys, they will respect you. Every easy to please but not my ex. Less fight as long as you do what he want but thy oly ask simple stuff. You only have to take care of him with love. They are less headeach unless he is not cheater. :) They are easy to love and to take care off, yes they are more than 20 ot 30 years older than you but they got a big heart except to those who naver tried married nor kid/kids (shoul be single again/ wodowed). Don't look to the physical beauty, because it's only fade later. :).

    ReplyDelete
  36. you all know whats wrong with that.
    you make excuses for your behaviour
    like you doing them a favour
    just pay there tuition you fucken freaks
    oh you being like with them
    you doing them a favor
    your fuckin old
    fuck off old ass wipes
    its just they poor and you rich
    typical white deviates

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. @wazza -- I'm not going to post your violent threats. Your comment above seems strong enough. (As usual, I am just a moderator of this post. I have nothing to do with this scene.)

      Delete
  37. Hello, I am Filipina, was born and raised in the Philippines, just visited this webpage and find it very interesting. Let me just say a few (or maybe not few) lines. It is a SHAME when it is the parents themselves who push these young women to look for the greener wallet. That is shameful and a disgrace.

    I grew up with 6 other siblings, mother a plain housewife and father a retired government employee. One thing that I do remember from my father as I was growing up, was to value education, to finish College so that when I finish and earn my degree, I can have a career and a good paying job. True enough, I finished at a State University in Manila and landed a stable job at a Govt Office in Taguig MM. I am very blessed to have a father like him, who motivated his children, even though my mother was raised with the mentality that women are meant to stay home, to raise kids. I never heard my parents telling us 2 girls to go and find a foreign man to give us a future.

    ReplyDelete
  38. It is a SHAME, to know how many young Filipina women are falling into this trap, as we call it "kapit sa patalim" due to poverty. But cannot judge them either.

    From my experience, growing up very poor, (as my mother used to tell me when I was a little girl, we used to live in a place like a pig pen). But I never heard them both even thinking that their 2 beautiful daughters to be pimped to old white foreigners. Oh yes, me and my sister are both stunning pinays. I with wavy hair, morena and petite, while my sister w/ straight hair, fairer taller and skinny.

    For all of you friends who are debating and making derogatory comments about the poor and the rich.. Have you actually lived poor, to know exactly how it is to be poor.

    ReplyDelete
  39. Now one thing, correction if I may, it's not true that girls in Manila will take your money. That is so untrue MAN! I grew up in Manila, most friends from manila, we all are busy trying to finish school. That is a place for busy people, we were all growing up normally as kids, never thought about hooking up with older foreign men so we can have fat wallets too. My community are families and friends who want to achieve something in their lives, and not like as what some people here are blogging. Some people who are coming from another side of the world and only been in one part of Manila, where the redhouses are i presume or the discos and parties are going, are not even close to the part of the bigger Manila I know and grew up. I went to a public elementary school, public high school and a State University and never begged anyone nor bothered anyone to give me money except my father and mother.. :)!

    Straighten up your facts people!! You are a foreigner in this country, don't pretend to impress that you know everyone in the Philippines when the only place and people you have mingled with are girls who's only concern is to party and hook up with men like yourself. Peace :)

    ReplyDelete
  40. Parents who push their young girls to older men because of fat wallets, should be ashamed of themselves. These people are lazy and no different than crooked pimps on the street. Sorry! just a thought!

    ReplyDelete
  41. Oh btw, I forgot to add, I am now a Canadian citizen. And if you are curious, no I do not have a Canadian fat (wallet) guy to sponsor me to get here with my 2 sons. I did apply for an independent immigrant visa, when I left my cheating husband. My oldest son has just been accepted to the Canadian Armed Forces and youngest son in Healthcare.

    I am not rich, but an honest question deserves an honest response, is it possible to raise from poverty in the Philippines?

    These young girls who grew up in remote places, and the redplaces (believe me these girls are also coming from remote places) of the Philippines has to be empowered. Someone to educate them to build their own dreams and not rely on some fat wallet foreign men to take abuse of their vulnerability. Unless you are really lazy and wants a quick money (You are no different than bank robbers haha-peace!), there is life beyond poverty, without going through this path.

    ReplyDelete
  42. there are alot of angry, even nasty, comments here. so what if an older white guy and a younger filipina meet up? people meet and marry for lots of reasons. if two people can get along who are others to judge? look to your own happiness first. dont assume that the western way of viewing relationships is the most correct.

    ReplyDelete
  43. I am a single female in my 30's (not a Filipina). Only moved to Vegas (high Filipino population) 2 years ago. And I felt like I'm constantly being insulted by older Filipinas about how I'm too old to be single and need to stop being so picky (my standard is very reasonable) and should just go for any guy (doesn't matter age, physique, interest, life philosophy) who's nice and "has money". Now if other people want to be gold diggers, that's their life choice. But to diss me because I don't want to be like that, it really annoys me. I was talking to a couple of US born Filipina and wondering if those older Filipinas think my quality is really that bad-- I mean, If they think i'm a gem or treats me like a daughter they'd have higher expectations right? Wrong. Apparently even some Filipino mothers would tell their daughters to greatly lower standards and just go for whoever they can get. After reading this page, it's confirmed, it's just their culture. Quite a cultural shock for me.

    ReplyDelete
  44. very interesting string, lots of emotion but slightly narrow-minded concidering cultures who have arranged marriages or bigomy, or gay marriage, all things that are frowned on by someone somewhere. personally 19 would be to young for me I think I would have common interest problems but at 55 maybe 30 would work ,I think one big thing has been over looked in this string I think the average fillipino has greater moral and spiritual values then most of us god fearing rulers of the modern civilization americans, I have divorced a wife , buried a wife and am scared to death to get mixed up with another American selfritous the grass is always greener woman , I would love to have a family devoted Filipino woman , that's woman not girl

    ReplyDelete
  45. i read about all this comment and the guy is right... yes sure you are old and you are fat and with money. but be realistic in the real world no body want to stay with you and i really mean it.. you suck and you know i really hope you married with this young and beauty girl and you die in the beraly next day and let her rich and free to fuck with the guy that she really want so fuck you and i hope stolle your fucking money and kick you ass. 8======O

    ReplyDelete
  46. I'm 50 and gonna marry 25 years old filippina. I dont matter what you say. I make my own happynes dosnt matter what eweryone else say or think.

    ReplyDelete
  47. I like Phill girls, of the age 20+. I am 49. I am all so blind. So looks mean nothing to me. Yep I am a fat old guy. yet my GF is 25 and she is awsome. Age to me is only a number. For me I have wisdom and good advice . My wage is from my australian govenment. So I can live nicely in the Phill vs back in Austrlia. Where it can be tough. But the Phill is such a nice place. My girl takes good care of me and I do enjoy her famly spoiling me too. As I share the love and some wealth back with them. My girl is smart and is a teacher. One day i hope we will have children too. So I do not see any problem with finding love with some one thats yonger and wants a good guy in me. Not all us old fat guys want 13 year old. its so odd how people pick out the freeks and petafiles and call them the norm for us white guys.

    ReplyDelete
  48. I married my young beautiful Filipina at the ripe old age of 22. That was 30 years ago and I have not regretted it 1 single day. I do not begrudge older men seeking a young companion as I have seen those relationships end in happiness on both sides. Just my 2 cents. Good luck guys

    ReplyDelete

Spam will be deleted. Comments on older posts must be approved.
If you're having problems posting, email your comment to me